Now, I realize that some may raise the objection, "Yes, but we need faith to participate in that covenant and become those whom he has represented." That may sound logical, but covenants don't work that way. No covenant that God ever made with His people was that ambiguous. Covenants have objects. They have a special people. When Christ died on the cross, he had his elect in his mind. He wasn't contemplating a vague concept of humanity. He had you and me on his mind. In short, covenants do not operate in ambiguity, but in specifics.
The New England Primer says, "In Adam's fall, we sinned all." Logically it should be, "In Christ's death, we all receive breath." This is clearly not the case. A covenantal perspective of what is actually happening in the story of redemption and of the inner workings of salvation is incompatible with what universalists believe. Covenants are not so soft as to be rejected or somehow be cast aside. That's simply not how they work.
God Bless,
Stanley
P.S. I have been really into this song called "Shekinah" by Saving Grace. They are a metal band from New Zealand. These dudes are on fire for God! I posted the lyrics here in this post, but I'm also posting a link to the song.
...as in the days of old the Glory fills the temple of the Lord
We are your temple
We are your temple
This burning deep inside of my heart
These lips adorned with praise
My hands raised in worship lost
In the wonder of your ways
Come now and take your place Lord
Bring forth new winds of change
Set our lives ablaze with fire
Bring down your Heavenly rain
We are your temple...
Bring away the darkness of sin
Fill these hands with seeds of truth
Show the path and I will follow
Let your Spirit lead me through
This hunger taking over my life
This thirst for Heavenly ways
These eyes are filled with visions
This heart your dwelling place
Come reign here Holy Spirit
Bring forth a storm of change
Set our tongues ablaze with fire
Bring down your Heavenly Glory, Glory
You made these hands
Now take these hands
Lord fill these hands
Lord fill these hands with seeds of truth
Bring your fire down!
Glory
Fire
Power
Shekinah
We are your temple
We are your temple
This burning deep inside of my heart
These lips adorned with praise
My hands raised in worship lost
In the wonder of your ways
Come now and take your place Lord
Bring forth new winds of change
Set our lives ablaze with fire
Bring down your Heavenly rain
We are your temple...
Bring away the darkness of sin
Fill these hands with seeds of truth
Show the path and I will follow
Let your Spirit lead me through
This hunger taking over my life
This thirst for Heavenly ways
These eyes are filled with visions
This heart your dwelling place
Come reign here Holy Spirit
Bring forth a storm of change
Set our tongues ablaze with fire
Bring down your Heavenly Glory, Glory
You made these hands
Now take these hands
Lord fill these hands
Lord fill these hands with seeds of truth
Bring your fire down!
Glory
Fire
Power
Shekinah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA2giDLtZ_Y
Shalom and thanks for posting this. I have a question. You said that: "If Christ covenantally represented every man in his sacrifice on the cross, every man would be saved. That's simply how covenants work." Are you saying that all would be saved? Or all who meet the conditions upon which the promises of the Covenant are based. Did Christ Die for all mankind or just for the elect?
ReplyDeleteShalom In Yahshua (Jesus)
Thanks for your question! I appreciate it. I'd love to clarify. What I'm attempting to show is that if Christ paid for every man's sin on the cross, no one would go to hell. I'm asserting that he only died for the elect because we know that there are those who go to hell. If Christ pays for a man's sins, the account is settled. Just as Christians do not have to pay again for their sins, anyone who Christ has paid for would not need to repay his debt to the Lord. Salvation isn't there in an abstract sense and man simply needs to take a hold of it. God isn't held hostage until man makes his decision. Christ objectively paid for men's sins. The beauty is that God's work of election and Christ's work of salvation go hand in hand so that all those Christ died for participate in the covenant by faith. I hope that helps! God bless you!
ReplyDeleteThanks for your reply. If Christ died only for the elect, then why are non-elected people born into this world? If you do not mind I'd like to have some Scriptures for this answer.
ReplyDeleteThanks, and
Shalom In Yahshua
Absolutely.
ReplyDelete14. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
In Romans 9, Paul is talking about the Israel within Israel. Here, he is responding to those who may claim that God is unjust for making some who are not elected to life. I hope this is helpful. Ultimately, it comes down to us trusting God. It's hard for us to hold God's sovereignty and the concept of hell together, but both cannot be denied. We need to be sure not to try to jam God into our little box.
Shalom Stanley,
ReplyDeleteAnd thanks for your reply. Based upon your understanding of the verses quoted in Rom.9 is it your position that salvation is God's choice and has nothing to do with mans response to His mercy? In other words do you believe in predestination (as in God's election of grace independent of man's choice) which brings salvation?
Yuri, I hope that my post titled "A Wristwatch Saved Harold Crick" will answer your questions.
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